I've been reading through this thread and what I'm not seeing a lot of people comment on is loot reprocs.

I'm sure CCP has access to the amount of minerals that are currently being added to the market through this sort of mining, but I without knowing how much are coming from this method, its going to be pretty hard to fathom just how badly this is going to affect the market. If people were to stop refining all modules for mins that are dropped as loot, this could have a huge affect on the mineral market and having prices going up a good bit.

As another poster said, this is also going to drastically decrease the price for some meta modules (ex: smartbombs that are otherwise valueless). I think people are worried about the wrong thing here (ie minerals from ore) as what CCP has shown is that despite these changes that profession is going to basically stay the same.

I'm just not sure what the point of introducing something like the MTU was if they were going to make looting not profitable, or not worth the time...

Also, with people compressing ore now as a viable profession, I wonder how much minerals that will take off the market since the ore won't be refined and thus also drive the price up. I expect to see all mineral prices rise by 10-20% if not 30% depending on how all this shakes out.

Look. No matter how you spin it, you are making things harder and taking things away from us. Here is a particularly revealing quote from the dev blog: "Decreasing reprocessing efficiency as a whole affects the outcome of mining, which really doesnGÇÖt need to be nerfed right now."

So you are planning on nerfing mining as well in the future.

Why do you insist on making things harder and harder and less lucrative to the players? Where is the payoff for me? Where is the ISK to be made for the average player?

The end result of all this nerfing will be a game that has no rewards for the person paying to have fun.

You nerfed ice belts, you nerfed rats, you nerfed missions, you nerfed the amount and type of loot,you nerfed anoms, when are you going to be giving instead of taking? The only thing I ever remember you (CCP/Eve Devs) giving is artillery and autocannons. They were pointless to train for years and a few years ago, you un-nerfed them... but then nerfed the tracking enhancer.

Really, why should I continue giving you my money? Why should I continue giving you my money when you continuously make the game less fun and plan on continuing to do so? What is the draw for the casual player? The person who works 12 hours a day? You LIVE this game so none if this is all that serious to you. I can only visit occasionally, so each nerf makes it more and more impossible for me to have any fun since I can not earn any resources.

Ultimately, this game will NOT survive if it is all about alliances and null sec. You need casual players. Lots of them. Stop trying to turn us away by removing the ability to get resources. Actually *think* about what it is like for us. We can not mine for 6 hours a day. We can not run dozens of a missions a day. We can not run alliances out in null (we can barely even participate in any of the battles!). Think about us please.

i don't think you grasped how scrapmetal works in the current system, implants don't affect it and you're getting 55% of what you get now at most (only scrapmetal processing, which is now 2% affects scrapmetal, nothing else, so 50% *1.10=55%)

You can only have 100% efficiency.

In order to make null rewarding the perfect refining of high sec must go.

Adding things to nullsec does not take away from highsec, necessarily. You will continue to enjoy the same reproc rates as you did pre-patch in stations, and will receive a 4% bonus for refining at a pos.

Do all the people in empire not realize that 78.2% refine after patch will be the same 100% refine they are currently getting? Empire isn't getting nerfed null is getting a slight buff.

get bent you stupid **** twats perfect skills should not need implants to get perfect results

Why would we?

High sec offers the exact same but with all the benefits of high sec safety. Why would we take the extra risk for no reward?

The problem is that what you see as "system after system of belts in null sec" is actually a pittance of ore compared to what the fires of industry require. We work on different scales; the miner sees boundless fields of plenty, while the supercap producer sees a bare pipe rising out of the ground in a desert ghost town, dripping a little bit of trit onto the ground once every few minutes.

Smelt.

You smelt alumina to make aluminium

You also smelt aluminium scrap to make aluminium.

The process of rendering "stuff containing the metal I'm after" into "the metal I'm after" is smelting.

I don't really get the rage over the implant, it's only like 300m, if they were asking people for a cosmos implant or something maybe that would be an issue but the 4% is like nothing, not even the cost of a normal set of +5s

I'm not completely sure about this, but does this mean that even if you train scrap metal reprocessing to five, module reprocessing is going to take a massive hit in the nuts?

As this is a big part of my mineral influx ,im not sure i will be very happy about these changes.

Not for scrap metal, no.

If you were basing your livelihood solely on scooping completed mission sites, well, I'm afraid you will have to play with the big boys now.

It's almost like you are dangerously misinformed about how asteroid belt mechanics work.

Hardly. Having it be competitive with nullsec ratting would be sufficient. You wouldn't do one activity if another one was more valuable, why would you expect anyone else to?